Arguing with ‘Wrong’ Passions
January 29, 2010
Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still. ~ Dale Carnegie
I think what I meant about social and political issues is that it’s hard for me to tell other people they are wrong for getting the meaning they get from the things they get meaning from. I do act against some things that others believe adamantly, yet I wouldn’t tell those who vote against what I vote for, for example, that they are wrong; even though my position may not win, I couldn’t tell someone they are wrong for wanting meaning and significance, for acting to obtain it. I may disagree with their actions and even want some people policed or put in jail for their harmful actions (for example), but if they truly believed they act meaningfully ‘right’ by their symbols and framework, wouldn’t tell them they are wrong to try gaining meaning and significance with the symbols and framework they have.
Of course I might argue they should know better than to have such a closed or untenable (in some way) framework, someone should teach them better, or have already taught them better; yet I wonder if these ‘shoulds’ and ‘oughts’, dependent as they are upon another different framework being ‘right’, are an attempt to invalidate (and justify the invalidation of) a person’s humanity by taking away what they do have, their symbols, their framework, their life meaning and significance.
I certainly believe in educating those who want education, those who are open to thinking to considering, to dialogue, to dialectic, to the education of their frameworks and themselves; but when they are not open and willing, when they are convinced of their rightness and will consider no alternative to the rightness of their meaning, significance or framework, I think it is wrong (in addition to likely being unfruitful) even to try to convince people of anything different. I believe there may be some things we shouldn’t or can’t effectively argue about; and though I may vote against them or stop their actions if I can, I rather feel I should treat other’s passion as valid to their humanity, as my passions are valid to my humanity.
I don’t believe anything should go, but when I think about the larger picture of our common humanity, inevitably someone’s passion does win out, someone’s human desire wins, the power of meaning and significance wins, (some part of) humanity wins significance – and significance building through passion and experience is, to me, part of the fascinating point, if not possibly the whole point, to being human.
Different People, Different Passions
January 28, 2010
I haven’t always been this way, but I avoid confrontation and the threat of confrontation in general these days, avoid social and political issues, though I often pay close attention to people’s opinions because they are so indicative of their frameworks, of their symbols, of their passions, and of the meaning and significance they find in being alive. The flip side of feeling there are so few people I can have a thoughtful topical discussion with is that there are so many people with whom I may discuss their opinions and passions, their frameworks and symbols, their life meaning and life significance.
Of course on one hand I can afford to ignore so many issues because my social and political circumstances allow me to ignore. Yet on the other hand it occurs to me people may have been ignoring and watching other people for millennia even when it may have behooved them not to; and I like to think they simply liked their particular outlook, attitude and framework more than they feared whatever social and political threat they faced. Of course on the more cynical hand, they may have feared changing their particular outlook, attitude and framework (or feared the consequences of standing up in society) more than they liked what they could have stood up for. Yet all these people, their attitudes, passions, symbols – their lives and the significance of their lives are different, and I can’t help but think, different isn’t necessarily wrong.
So while there lurk issues of immediate relevance to the subjects I generally explore, such as female supremacy for example, I simply avoid it. It isn’t just that any sort of supremacy isn’t my thing (and it isn’t), it’s more accurate to say I have different passions, different symbols and a different framework. So I don’t argue, I either watch in fascination or ignore, as with so many social and political issues; while these things matter to people and matter to current life and the living of current life they are fully functioning symbols and flashpoints to people just as much as people who firmly believe and hold opposing points of view.
Yet a line must be drawn; at some point I have to say I am going to do something about this issue – but without an current exemplative issue I have a hard time knowing quite where to draw that line.
Passion Connection
January 27, 2010
Last night my wife asked me if I thought my deep, uxorious, abiding and passionate love for her would ever stop (No), and how I could be so sure, after all even I admit a changing and dynamic mental framework is part of living life, surely there is the possibility the framework might change to reduce or even exclude this love or its features.
And this made me wonder (again) how much I am framed by my framework, how much my framework addicts me to the symbols I use and the behaviors I choose, how much of me is what I am by nature, how much of me is what I am by nurture. I have always been certain any meaningful answers to these kinds of questions are always a little bit of both, my uxorious character for example is likely a bit of both nature and nurture, yet I rather think now there is more to it than only these dichotomies.
There is always been reference to the je ne sais quoi about a woman, and I have seen and felt this, met and experienced its flavor about many women; yet there is something more I have only ever experienced with my wife. The very way she experiences life and the world about her draws me, pulls me, connects me not only to her but also again to more of myself; between us it is as if there were an integrated circuit made from the many different parts of our selves.
Of course, in a way this might be calling forth some unnecessary mystery around our human nature, or naming our nature by another name; after all it is easy to attribute these sorts of experiences to some scientistic evolutionary attunement to potential mating compatibility. Yet again, for me, such theories work well for things I do not sense, but they have little explanatory power over what I experience; and I, like everyone, need explanations in symbols I, and my mental framework, can understand. Even if I am simply discovering new worth within an otherwise previously known fact, the symbolized significance and meaning (to my experience anyway) is in no way diminished.
So yes, I believe all of us in our basic and essential selves have a transcendent awareness, more than consciousness, more than a mere solidity of self, but an ineffable meaning and significance brought about by our very existence. If we close our eyes and focus long enough we can find that center place of self, and occasionally we might glimpse it about another person, that je ne sais quoi.
Yet while my wife has her interior center sense self and I have my interior center sense of self, sometimes I do believe I do more then glimpse her interior center sense of self. It is as if I had her ‘interior hand’ between my two ‘interior hands’ and can feel the definition, shape, temperature and texture of her interior too, as if there is a connection between us but one external to both of us (cf. internal destiny and external fate). I don’t believe such a connection comes by nature or by nurture, but I know it is more than I have ever experienced before in my life – and why I do not believe my deep, uxorious, abiding and passionate love for her will ever cease.
